CTCC Round 6 - Tsukuba Full - Post Race Discussion

had a good finale race. was a great series going to miss it

Absolutely destroyed that I had to miss the last race but when water starts coming through the ceiling you kinda need to prioritize.

Thanks a ton to Chad for running a great series.

So glad I chose CTCC as my first series to try at online racing. It got me hooked and I cant wait for season two.

Congrats to Mad Dog, Chaos, Karma, Venom, Colgate and Blanman jobs well done.

I'm so bummed i missed the last race, but i set my alarm for AM instead of PM

Amazing series,,what a closer. Huge thanks to CRA Chaos,,,had a fantastic scrap with him all season,,really felt pushed hard.

Cant wait on season 2!!! bring it on

Greg   

This was a great last race. I had a great battle with karma and andy in the second round. I was lucky to pick up the win on both races. Karma was great to race with. He pushed me every race and it was a blast battling with him. Thanks karma for helping me keep faith that there are drivers in forza, who can hold a line and wont dump you in a corner.
I was and am very happy with this series. This was my first series on this site. Venom and the rest of the XPLR staff did a great job with creating and keeping this series running smoothly. Thanks for having me and i will be waiting for the next one.

On a side note:
This doesn't really matter however I don't agree with the last two penalties.  Both videos show hints of lag. Which nullify's it being anyone's fault.

The first race video shows urban on the inside of howsitgoing and IF he called out inside then that is a perfectly good move. Also from the video it doesn't look like the cars actually touched on the screen.

The second video shows that the cars never touched it was lag. You can see it clearly. To penalize him on both is a bit overkill Imo for lag related issues.

I am a good friend of both drivers involved and I am not defending nor accusing anyone.  Just my views on the videos posted.

Not shore who's replay your watching but in race 1 it clearly shows urban hitting me with no gap between us. Once early and again later in the race with the later incident being a desperation move by him to pass me because he had been sitting behind me for the majority of the race with turn 1 being his only chance of passing me with the later incident being the one resulting in the penalty. Not at any stage was his front bumper past the rear of my car with even a small amount gap between my rear and his front. Unless im using the view of following the car from behind there is no way of me knowing exactly where he is. On my last check of his position with my right thumb stick he was clearly behind me before i start making my corner entry and applying brakes with his line being narrow and tight to the right side leaving him out of my rear view mirror vision making it impossible for him to make the turn without parking it on the inside or running straight on which he ends up doing which the replay clearly shows him doing. Not at any stage did I change my line from previous laps or my braking point. Given the nature of turn 1 I have to turn in before the crest. Not at any stage did he make the call of passing or inside. Regardless of the passing call comment or not the pass was not there to be made safely. Its not my responsibility to let the chasing driver pass but its up to the chasing driver to make the pass safely. In regards to race 2 where he hits me turning me around there is a small gap between bumpers yes but not at any stage does my replay or Venoms show anyone in the race lagging. Whilst there may have been lag at that time the amount is so insignificant and minimal the result of him driving into me would have happened anyway due to him still braking late and not exercising caution. Again I never brake early but rather where I should be braking making sure I don't hit the car in front of me. In the end a little common sense would have prevailed.  

CRA Chaos wrote:On a side note:
This doesn't really matter however I don't agree with the last two penalties.  Both videos show hints of lag. Which nullify's it being anyone's fault.

The first race video shows urban on the inside of howsitgoing and IF he called out inside then that is a perfectly good move. Also from the video it doesn't look like the cars actually touched on the screen.

The second video shows that the cars never touched it was lag. You can see it clearly. To penalize him on both is a bit overkill Imo for lag related issues.

I am a good friend of both drivers involved and I am not defending nor accusing anyone.  Just my views on the videos posted.

CRA Urban has the right to appeal any decision taken against him, he didn't respond to plea requests from the stewards, or submit his replay for further review

Exiled wrote:On a side note:
This doesn't really matter however I don't agree with the last two penalties.  Both videos show hints of lag. Which nullify's it being anyone's fault.

The first race video shows urban on the inside of howsitgoing and IF he called out inside then that is a perfectly good move. Also from the video it doesn't look like the cars actually touched on the screen.

The second video shows that the cars never touched it was lag. You can see it clearly. To penalize him on both is a bit overkill Imo for lag related issues.

I am a good friend of both drivers involved and I am not defending nor accusing anyone.  Just my views on the videos posted.

I posted the videos as a courtesy to those involved. Both had time to respond to the inquiries. This particular replay doesn't show 100% contact but the actions of the drive and the result of the drivers mistakes are a clear reflection in Grants car. Its common sense to know that sometimes replays can be skewed a bit when it comes to car to car contact. The fact that I was in the race, heard both incidents happen, very closely studied all angles of the replays and URBAN never contested the ruling implies guilt and makes this a clear cut case. Steward inquiry 4 was bad before the hit. He dove on Grant when he should have fallen behind him. Steward Inquiry 5 is a crystal clear late brake with a crAsh that followed. Sorry...i though I was explaining this to everyone in a different thread. Didn't know it was private.

I just don't agree chicain. Replays differ from driver to driver. It's based upon how your connection is with everyone else. Grant has been known to lag at times. Thus your replay didn't show 100% contact where his may have. Also the fact urban didn't respond didn't admit guilt in my opinion, it just means he was to lazy or just didn't see the point or maybe he was guilty, I don't know as I haven't spoke to him about it. I just gave my view point of what I seen. Replays to me are up to interpretation. It's how you interpret what happened on the replay. We just have different views on what happened. It was kind of disheartening that my post seemed to have struck a nerve with some. That wasn't my intention. But thanks for the feedback.

Exiled wrote:On a side note:
This doesn't really matter however I don't agree with the last two penalties.  Both videos show hints of lag. Which nullify's it being anyone's fault.

The first race video shows urban on the inside of howsitgoing and IF he called out inside then that is a perfectly good move.

I just noticed this comment...it was not a perfectly good move at all. That is diving on someone cutting off their already dedicated line and the result is clear. There was no call from URBAN on the position and even if he called it, its wrong. He never broke the bumper of Grant therefore must fall in line or stay off his line. You can clearly see he realizes he made a mistake by making that move and holds his brake longer to try to avoid hitting Grant. He makes multiple mistakes that had obvious result wether the replay was off or not. And by off I mean an inch.  There is no "lag" only a slight disconnect between the two cars. I've seen this hundreds of times in replays. But...the contact still occurred.

I appreciate your subtle opinion and I welcome it. I have no problem explaining in detail how the decision came about. What is wrong here is the standard amount of points deducted for these infractions and if there's anything I can do about it I will.

I have a question. Is it just one person looking at these inquiries or is there a panel?

Ive looked it as well. I agree there is small lag but driving like he was I guarentee there was going to be a crash. One of the contacts if he didnt hit grant he would have went way off the track. I agree with cains decision. I looked right after it happened n gave cain m u decision right then n there

I'm not trying to cause trouble here dude just trying to clear this up & that was my main worry that only one person may have viewed it. I've look through plenty of incidents with Venom & always came out with the same idea about what happened. Was jut concerned it was only one person taking the view on it

Nope it was me cain n andy. N I know I miss u maddog its been a min. Dang WOT is got u all sucked up into lol